“Prophets” Shalt Not Bear False Witness Against Herbert W Armstrong


Thousands know that I, personally, have been called and chosen for a very definite commission in God’s service. But I have definitely NOT been called to be a PROPHET — except as that word, Biblically used, does sometimes refer to a minister or speaker — one who proclaims the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
   Emphatically I am NOT a prophet, in the sense of one to whom God speaks specially and directly, revealing personally a future event to happen or new truth, or new and special instruction direct from God — separate from, and apart from what is contained in the Bible. And I never have claimed to be.
   THERE IS NO SUCH HUMAN PROPHET LIVING TODAY!

~ Herbert W Armstrong, “The 19-Year Time Cycles – What HAPPENED January 7 – What My Commission IS!” (bolding mine)

How many times have you heard it?  “We are the ONLY Church that follows Mr Armstrong”?  Yet, in every case, you find that they do not.  They are false witnesses, and their only real goal is to get you to worship a man rather than the risen Jesus Christ, in order to move the veneration onto themselves and deflect your tithes and offerings from an honest work.

Looking up some statements today, I came across a “prophet” who once was associated with WCG, and his assurance that Princess Diana was going to be resurrected in order to stir a revival in the UK.  I left that website quickly.  This is not the type of prophet being addressed here.  No, I am addressing those who claim to be prophets and strictly hold to the teachings of Herbert W Armstrong (HWA).  I am doing so because for most who do so, it is impossible to do both.

Let me ask you so-called “prophets” something: Are you greater than Herbert W Armstrong?  If he declared he was not a prophet, then who are you to do so?  If you were not ordained a prophet, then how can you beWhich lie do you want to tell now?

Hall of False Prophetic Shame

Let’s look at this gallery of liars, shall we?

False prophet Ronald Weinland

Weinland claims:

As a prophet, God gives to me prophetic interpretation and additional prophecy not previously given in scripture.

~ RonaldWeinland.com, “Pentecost of May 27, 2012”

As a consequence, he has an ever growing list of “restored truth”, many of which contradict the original “18 Truths” that HWA restored (according to Tkach).

False prophet Gerald Flurry

Flurry has an ego large enough to delusionally claim to be “That Prophet”, a reference that HWA always said applied to Jesus Christ.

He also claims, counter to HWA’s teaching, that:

The mere fact that he was an apostle, the highest rank God gives to a human being today,  means he also held the office of prophet-and every other office below the rank of apostle.

~ Gerald Flurry, Co-worker letter, November 8, 2010, p. 2

False prophet Robert Thiel

Thiel now claims the gift of prophecy because he had hands laid upon him during an anointing in which a minister requested a double portion of the Holy Spirit.

What he says about the event is rather fanciful, actually, and an indication of just where his mind set is (not):

The minister who did so prayed that I would be granted a ‘double-portion’ of God’s Holy Spirit. The minister told me that he had not ever done this before but he felt that it was reminiscent of the time that the prophetic and ecclesiastical leadership mantle passed from the Prophet Elijah to Elisha (2 Kings 2:9-13).

Translation: Thiel was looking for a sign, and so he read that into the subsequent events.  It is noteworthy that even he does not say that this minister ordained him as a prophet!

What Would HWA Say?

I’m not sure, but he might say “HORSE HOCKEY!” in his typically bombastic style of writing.

In these days prophets came from Jerusalem to Antioch. These prophets ranked second to the apostles in the framework of God’s Church. (Eph. 4:11.) Their mission seems to have been to receive messages or prophecies direct from God, and to convey these messages from God to the apostles or evangelists or elders. God’s Word had not yet been completely committed to writing. The New Testament was still in process of being written. There is no evidence of the existence of any prophets in the Church since the New Testament was written.

~ Herbert W Armstrong, “Must God’s Ministers Be Ordained by the Hand of Man?

The prophets set in the foundation of the Church are those of the Old Testament, whose writings were used to form a considerable part of New Testament and gospel teaching and functioning. No prophets are mentioned as having either administrative, executive or preaching functions in the New Testament Church.

~ Herbert W Armstrong, Mystery of the Ages, “Chapter 6: Mystery of the Church

What Is a True Prophet?

A true prophet comes in the name of God, carrying a message from God.  A true prophet says something will come to pass, and then it does.  However, it may or may not happen within that prophet’s lifetime, unless, of course, the prophecy says otherwise.

Frankly, anyone with God’s Holy Spirit can see these men are not prophets of God.  The reason is simple: They are basing their beliefs on the foundation of a man – Herbert W Armstrong.  While we can acknowledge that God used him as a tool to get across many of the truths we hold dear, anyone who comes along with the claim that they are holding fast to HWA’s standard is using a faulty ruler.  A true prophet bases their belief upon the Bible, the Word of God.  Furthermore, a prophet must do more, as any Christian should be using that as the basis of belief.

Since we have the Bible, I believe, as HWA taught, there is no current need for a prophet.  A prophet is sent to warn of coming upheaval or crisis.  A prophet is sent to warn God’s people of upcoming events.  In no uncertain terms, a prophet’s job is to deliver a message from God Almighty.

At least two of these individuals are completely delusional.  They are claiming to hold fast to the doctrines of a dead man rather than God.  They are taking upon themselves titles of grandeur and spewing out false prophecies that contradict what they claim to believe.

All three are contradictions to what HWA taught, the supposed foundation upon which they build their ministries.

Fruits of the Spirit

All three claim HWA’s mantel, even as Elisha grabbed up Elijah’s mantel, but none of them show the fruit worthy of doing so.  God does not measure fruit by reach, membership or Internet following.

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham [or Herbert W Armstrong] to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham [without titles or the ordination of men].

10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

~ Mt 3:7-11

John the Baptist did an Elijah work in his day.  Jesus said so.  Jesus said he was “more than a prophet” (Mt 11:7-15).  John’s message of repentance was a prophetic message, just as the OT prophets gave utterances intended to lead to the repentance of the people.

Jesus gave several analogies of bringing forth good fruit vs bad fruit, but all Christians must bring forth the Fruits of the Spirit.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

~ Gal 5:22-23

Why do I write so much about love?  Why do I write so much about patience, in particular tolerating the “disputable matters”?  Why do I write so much about meekness?  Temperance?  If a minister does not exhibit these, then he is a minister of Satan!  Not only do we ourselves need to concentrate upon these qualities for our own spiritual growth, but we need to make sure we are drinking in these same qualities of other like-minded brethren who live and teach these same qualities!

Is meekness pointing the finger and putting down others for being “Laodicean”?  I think not.  How many of these “churches of God” are lead by men who encourage, uplift, exhort and stoke the fires of proper zeal vs stoking the fires of hatred, strife, contention, competitiveness and haughtiness?  I daresay, the above three do not fit that first category in any manner whatsoever!  Furthermore, all three fit that latter category to a tee!

To the Law and the Testimony

It should be evident at any rate that believing HWA was the Elijah, an Elijah-figure, or even believing that he restored the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth is not what being a prophet is all about!  There is only one yardstick to measure any teacher against.

That means ministers, bloggers, prophets, pastor generals, apostles or even our own words from our own mouths when we try to explain why our son or daughter needs to be out of school for that time period.  It means that even when we ask off from work, it had better be true to the written Word.  We don’t have to quote Scripture, but we had better be quoting it more than the words of a dead man!

20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

~ Isa 8:20

It does not say that anyone who speaks against HWA is a Laodicean and is not to be followed, does it?  That would be adding to Scripture, wouldn’t it?

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

~ Rev 22:18

Now, no one would do that, right?  No one would write a “little book” and claim it was dictated by an angel, would they?  No one would make up “50 truths” or however many that were supposedly “revealed” and contradicted and distorted and …?  No one would dredge up Catholic, Mayan, Chines, Egyptian and other pagan sources to validate the Word of God, would they?  No, of course not!  </sarcasm>

Self-Ordained Wolves

And, just who actually ordained any of these three, anyhow?  They nominated themselves!  Oh, and look!  They have their own churches!  How convenient!  They take tithes and offerings for their self-proclaimed works!  How convenient!

18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

~ Php 3:18-19

Not only these three, but there are others who would rather slander, gossip and malign rather than speak the truth.  They ask for donations, tithes and offering to fund their destructive attacks against godly people, even as the Pharisees, the real Laodiceans of their day, did.  They twist the words of HWA, others and even the Scripture for gain.  For they trusted in their own self-righteousness rather than in Christ’s imputed righteousness.  Some even kick people out of their “synagogues” and shun their families, even as the Pharisees refused to take care of parents for earthly gain and kicked out those who spoke the truth.

However, these three are especially hypocritical, in that they proclaim to “hold fast” to what HWA taught, yet they conveniently ignore the bits and pieces of his teachings they don’t like.  They ordained themselves, set themselves up as somebody, and they mock the very things they claim to believe.

23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

~ Ro 2:23-24

God is not mocked, however.  These three already have their reward.


3 thoughts on ““Prophets” Shalt Not Bear False Witness Against Herbert W Armstrong

  • Big Red
    Big Red

    I don’t know whether HWA would’ve used the phrase, “horse hockey,” but he definitely used the phrase “crack pot” (during a feast sermon). The context was a widespread belief in the church that he was suppose to be alive during the end-time. He emphatically stated that he never taught anything like that. He called the idea “crack pot.”

    Anyway, very good post, John. How many times did HWA say “don’t believe me; believe your Bible” and “blow the dust off your Bibles.”

  • Richard Burkard on Facebook

    Part of this seems to depend on how we understand church “government” lists in the New Testament (or at least some look at the lists that way). When a “pastor and teacher” is ordained an evangelist, does that mean he’s no longer a pastor/teacher? Is it a different job with different gifts, duties and responsibilities – or is it a new gift, in addition to the ones God gave before?

  • John D Carmack on Facebook

    When you are basing your beliefs upon the teachings of a dead man, it doesn’t matter how “we” interpret it. It matters how he did. I think you totally missed the point of the post.

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