3 Responses to ““Pole-Peeling” and Putting Faith in Government”

  1. Have we overlooked (as your linked article does) Gen. 17:6? “Kings will come from you,” God told Abraham long before the time of Samuel. And in Gen. 35:11 God told Jacob, “kings will come from your body.” So weren’t they to be expected?

  2. Big Red Big Red says:

    Well, human leaders put their shoe on one foot at a time, just like we all do. It’s a mistake to view them as some kind of messiah figures. Frankly, a lot of the idolizing comes from human greed – we get really cool stuff if we worship this guy! And he’s busy pocketing really cool stuff himself.

    That’s why I favor democracy over totalitarian governments in this present world. The various greedy groups can check one another (theoretically). But it doesn’t stop the downward trend in values among the people, and that’s the lousy part.

    It’s not the form of government. It’s individuals and how they behave in the private lives.

  3. John D says:

    @Richard: Obviously, I cannot speak for Deffinbaugh, but IMO he answered that at the end when he brought up Dt 17:

    “This text is a prophecy, and we can see that it is exactly fulfilled when the Israelites demanded a king, just like the nations. The fact that something is prophesied is not proof that what is foretold is something good and righteous. The betrayal of Judas is foretold, as well as Israel’s rejection of her Messiah. This does not mean that Judas, or the unbelieving Israelites, were right to do what they did. It only means that God wants us to know it was a part of His eternal plan.”

    I submit to you as well that most people overlook what the Genesis promises entail. Notice how Abraham was promised “kings”, plural, would be his descendants. NLT says, “I will make you extremely fruitful. Your descendants will become many nations, and kings will be among them!” Most of the world views the promises of Abraham through a very narrow lens and miss a lot of prophecy as a result. Abraham means “father of a multitude of nations“. The promise is one of many nations, not just the Jews. Of those many nations, many will have sovereign rights, they will have their own rulers rather than having others ruling over them (and indeed during much of the span of time of the ancient empires of Israel and Judah, they were sovereign until they totally stopped heeding the warnings of the prophets).

    Lastly, “expected” does not necessarily mean “approved”. We often talk about the Church as a body. We often say the spiritual Church cannot be divided. If the Church was not meant to be divided, then what is the physical parallel? Was mankind ever truly meant to be divided, or is God building one united family?

    Something to chew on, no?