COGWA Selects Board Members


I just got notified that COGWA has selected it’s Ministerial Board of Directors (MBOD):

Jim B. Franks
Douglas Robert Horchak
Clyde L. Kilough
Joel Christopher Meeker
Richard Robert Pinelli
Richard Conerly Thompson
Leon Walker

I am not a prophet, but if I were to make a prediction, it would be along the lines of COGWA critics (at least the more vocal ones) saying, “See? It’s just the ‘good ol’ boy network’ all over again.”


11 thoughts on “COGWA Selects Board Members

  • Andrew

    The funny thing is, it wouldn’t matter who got elected. It would always be “The Good Ol’ Boys” because they’ve had so relatively few new hires. And those new hires are just “puppets” (as some might claim), since anyone they disagreed with would be back in United anyway.

    It’ll be interesting to see who the President is, though! Because now it can’t be Kilough (or any of the other six) and I thought he was a shoe-in for the president all over again. Though personally, I would like to see a “younger” President (by which I mean someone in middle age) that would be more easily able to connect with all generations (Mr Winner or Mr Black are good examples), but there aren’t many of those that would meet the experience requirement.

  • author@ptgbook.org

    Any board member can become president, but he resigns his position on the board when he becomes president so he is not on the board at the same time. I expect that either Mr. Kilough or Mr. Franks will be the president.

  • John G

    “God so loved the world, he didn’t send a committee.”

    Some say a child spoke or wrote that. Others think the Baptist community thought it up. Who knows? In any event, perhaps it ought to be changed to say:

    “God so loved the world, he didn’t send a board.”

    After all if it is believed by so many that God can no longer work through one servant as a leader, then how could He possibly do anything through 6, 7, 12, 19 (pick any number but 1)?

    “Leaders” keep being voted in and out because God has not provided them with a leader, so there appears to be no other option but to vote their own in, but time will tell………and I still do find it shocking that HWA would not allow voting, and yet those who formed the United Association just went ahead and did so. It’s kind of like HWA a la carte style. Something does not add up, but maybe it just isn’t supposed to be added up…

    I think the only other question is: how long will we have to wait until the next split occurs in their association? Well, time will tell on that one too…

    John

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    John D

    John G wrote: “After all if it is believed by so many that God can no longer work through one servant as a leader…”

    Really? Who? I’ve never heard a single person say that. Please don’t misrepresent others’ positions.

    “I still do find it shocking that HWA would not allow voting, and yet those who formed the United Association just went ahead and did so. It’s kind of like HWA a la carte style.”

    Maybe it is just the healthy realization that HWA wasn’t right about everything and doesn’t deserve to be worshiped as those in PCG and other places do.

    There actually have only been a handful of times when God only worked through one person. Enoch appears to be one time, Noah and Abram (although even that isn’t with a certainty). God worked with David even while Saul and Samuel were alive. After Solomon, God continued to work with two different nations.

    Even in Jesus’ day, there is this:

    ” 38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

    ” 39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

    ” 40 For he that is not against us is on our part.”

    ~ Mk 9:38-40

    In fact, even when HWA was alive, God did not work through one leader. There were others even then, although WCG often did not seek them out or recognize them.

    Those who claim that God can and does only work through one man in charge are liars.

  • Andrew

    @PTG: I sincerely doubt we will see them make such a move as that. The MBOD needs to choose the President, there’s been such a push for getting this Long Term Government set up and in place, I doubt they’ll extend it by choosing a Pres then needing to bring yet another board member on board afterwards (delaying the process further, etc). I think we’ll see a non-MBOD member chosen (though perhaps someone previously nominated that wasn’t selected, such as Mr McCullough)

  • John G

    John D,

    You replied, in part, by writing: “…I’ve never heard a single person say that. Please don’t misrepresent others’ positions…”

    My comments were basically about COGWA, the United Association, and cogs using boards/committees and not so much about God’s dealings with humanity throughout thousands of years of history. A single person did make the following comments in sermons back in the late 1990s.

    From 1997 sermon transcript of God’s Government, Part 1

    Page 3: “…You know; if God’s not smart enough and strong enough and has enough power to inspire through one man, then how can He possibly inspire through fourteen men? He only needs one and that’s who He works with: always!…”

    From 1997 sermon transcript of God’s Government, Part 2

    Page 18: “…God is strong enough to direct and make His Government work exactly the way that He wants it. We don’t need committees and we don’t need people voting!

    If God cannot work through one man, then we’re in big trouble, because then He doesn’t have the power to work through a committee; does He? No!…”

    From 1999 sermon transcript of God’s Government, Part 5

    Page 3: “…There are other groups around saying that: “God doesn’t work through one man!” Well, of course, they have to say that, because there’s a half a dozen or three dozen “churches of God” out there. They can’t possibly say: “God’s working only through one,” because then they’re going to lose all of these other people, and alienate themselves and they’ll expose each other.

    So, now, they used to believe that! Now, they all believe: “Oh, no! Now, God is working through everybody!” Of course, they secretly believe: “God’s only working through them” and they’re trying to snatch the other sheep. That’s all they’re trying to do. They’ll say that: “Well, go back into the Old Testament! Look at Jeremiah, and Ezekiel and Daniel! You know; they were all fairly contemporary with one another. Well, see, He doesn’t just work through one! He works through…”

    Well, what would your answer be? Is that true? Is that true? They were all there. They all did what they were supposed to do. Was that God’s Government? You might be interested to find out that it was not.
    When they tell you all of this stuff, it’s just another satanic lie. They’re just trying to cover their own, their own seats, or butts, whatever you want to say. I’m just trying to be nice. That’s all they’re trying to do and that’s what Satan has always done.
    Well, I want to go through very quickly and review where and when God used His Government…”

    There are others who also think similarly since that time and over the years. I apologize for using the words “so many” and should have just said “some.”

    Moses was a servant God worked through. So was Nebuchadnezzar and yes, sometimes God did work through more than one individual at the same time. For example, a portion of Part 2 of the transcript of God’s Government says the following:

    “…Well, you have to understand that. Remember that Moses truly was a servant of God! Generally speaking, in the Church of God today and all through the 7 eras, He has brought up different servants, leaders, leaders of congregations and leaders of a group.

    The Prophets did not lead all kinds of people. In most cases, they were there to warn, to go to the kings, to go to different nations and to proclaim what God had inspired them to do: like Jeremiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel! You’d think: “Well, there were two there! See, if there were two there: well, then, maybe you’re not the only servant! Maybe I could be a servant too. Maybe God’s called me to do some other little work over here, or I can do this. You go ahead and do your work, but I can.”

    No, God doesn’t work that way! God called these two men that were contemporary, but one, Jeremiah, was back there in Judah in Israel and he was witnessing to them. Ezekiel was over there in captivity in Babylon and he was witnessing to them. Two different jobs! But they weren’t leading the people, necessarily: they were just telling God’s things. That’s what Prophets do.

    Then, you had Daniel! Daniel was there too. Don’t forget about him, but he was right inside the king’s house and God had, of course, as we read. That’s a very good study and we’ll be giving a sermon later on that, because there are a lot of interesting facts there that we have read over in the past. Daniel was serving right there in the king’s house, but each was having their own work that they were doing, and God gave them that and inspired them. Now, each had their own job…”

    And you are correct where you wrote: “…Maybe it is just the healthy realization that HWA wasn’t right about everything and doesn’t deserve to be worshiped as those in PCG and other places do…” I would agree that that is a very healthy realization.

    John

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    John D

    @John G: These quotes make no sense. Are you saying a UCG minister (since COGWA did not exist in 1997) was advocating one-man rule? I cannot find this sermon, and I’m unsure why you are so reluctant to name the person giving them. If this sermon is in the public arena, then provide a link. I want to see the context because these snippets make it appear as though they are preaching against the very type of organization they supposedly believed in.

    You quoted: “‘No, God doesn’t work that way! God called these two men that were contemporary, but one, Jeremiah, was back there in Judah in Israel and he was witnessing to them. Ezekiel was over there in captivity in Babylon and he was witnessing to them. Two different jobs! But they weren’t leading the people, necessarily: they were just telling God’s things. That’s what Prophets do.'”

    What the person is really admitting, then, is that God works through multiple people in multiple ways, which goes against the heresy of “God only works through one man”.

    “Was that God’s Government? You might be interested to find out that it was not.
    When they tell you all of this stuff, it’s just another satanic lie.”

    It was God’s sovereignty at work = His government. The Satanic lie is that we must idolize a man, a structure of government or anything other than our Creator. We turn God into a self-absorbed egomaniac by insisting that He must control us like puppets.

    The rationale for a one-man rule invariably goes back to ancient Israel. Even then, there were multiple people doing multiple things. In the Book of Judges, Israel existed for hundreds of years without a central civil government. God was their King. Each man and woman was responsible for submitting to God individually.

    Guess what? That is still true today. We are responsible to submit to God, not some organization. God’s government on earth does not exist — yet!

    What is really sad is the idolatry involved in reading something into Scripture something that is simply not there and insisting it is a requirement of the Church. It is a “requirement” made by modern day Pharisees who want to hold onto power. It is Satan entering into the Church of God and deceiving people into putting aside personal responsibility for their actions and submitting that authority to a hierarchy of men.

    You can easily spot these Satanic leaders as well, as they bring destruction wherever they go: Flurry, Pack, Weinland, et al. Here is your “God’s one-man rule”!

    Of course, I cannot stop people from hanging up their brains at the church door and allowing the poison to be poured into their minds. However, the warning is being issued.

  • Norbert

    When it comes to how authority is used within the church, there’s a couple of passages that can prove interesting to compare.

    Matt 16:18-19 And I say also to you, That you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

    Matt 18:18-20 Truly I say to you, Whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say to you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the middle of them.

    In one instance He responds to Peter and teaches something about binding and loosing with the others present, in the other He is teaching the disciples as a whole about binding and loosing. In my view one man rule is as valid as ruling being done by more than one man, as long as both are serving and neither are lording it over everyone else.

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    Norbert wrote: “In my view one man rule is as valid as ruling being done by more than one man, as long as both are serving and neither are lording it over everyone else.”

    Exactly! There is no required form of government in the Bible, only requirements for leaders.

  • Andrew

    @John D: I believe, given the dates and the fact it was a series of sermons, those sermons could only have come from one of three individuals: Flurry, Weinland, Meredith (head of Global at the time and I think 1997 was before he hit the government topic heavily so not sure it could be him).

    I’m not sure what point John G is trying to make as the existence of boards and committees is not a delcaration that people are saying God is incapable of working through one person. It’s an attempt to mitigate the follies of mankind as, I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t think God directly speaks to these leaders (or has prophets that come in and speak for God) the same way He once did. The heart being what it is, it’s easy for one man God is working with to run amok when given full control.

    So to quote this individual–who seems to be promoting one man rule and deliberating misrepresenting dissenting sides–appears to serve little purpose to back up anything John G said, other than perhaps show that there is someone that says such statements have been made (essentially hearsay and fabrications).

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    @Andrew: Right. It sounds to me exactly like Flurry, who isn’t known for rational thought to begin with. Again, I will state that I know of no one who says these things. They are made up fantasies of a lunatic.

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